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Mobilizing in ways they haven't seen before. they are seeing them moving their artillery and weapons closer to front line attack positions. they fear them and see them maneuvering so they think it is a matter of time before what are now skirmishes and incoming fire that is escalating. >> what would you say, richard, is zelensky's connection with ukrainian's right now? are ukrainians rallying around him? >> reporter: they are. he was somewhat embattled before and he had been criticized in the early days of this crisis for ignoring it, downplaying it, his speech was very well received here. he's...

Attacks? how concerned are you that the russians are going to attack us in cyber, if you will, to try to dissuade us from helping the ukrainians? >> certainly part of their playbook and we've been engaged for many months now, first of all in helping ukraine itself and in anticipation that russia bo respond to cyber attacks. this is a very, very dangerous game. we're, as i said, strengthening our own defenses. when president biden was with president putin in geneva at the time of ransomware attacks and the president was conveying how seriously we take this and how russia needs to engage with th...

And as that was continuing year after year -- by the way, largely, again, as a result of his actions and alienating ukrainians by seizing crimea and invading the separatists of the donbas. as that was happening, it no doubt got to a point where he thought if he didn't do something to change the dynamic, it was just going to happen. >> it feels like your meeting with sergei lavrov this week, if it happens, it means no war. if it doesn't happen, it means war has begun. is that the fair way to look at that meeting? >> that's a pretty good summary, chuck. yes. look, we're doing everything we can. ...

This out and go into poland. there's no intelligence to suggest he made that decision. >> following up on that, i think afghanistan looms so large there. talking to people in the administration, they say getting americans out is so top of president biden's mind. he mentioned it in that super bowl interview. he mentioned it when he had the press conference with the german chancellor. he mentioned it in the speech last tuesday. not that americans are going to evacuate, but that's why you see them saying, you need to get out now. you need to get out when commercial flights are available. u.s. tro...

The situation was radically different. it was quiet. now i'm about one mile from the separatist held conclave in ukraine. there are intensifier fights -- intense firefights here. now since we've been here for the last several hours, the ukrainians are also firing back at the separatists. one commander i spoke to here says he does fear these could be the opening shots of a wider war. >> richard, there was a clearly frustrated president zelensky that met with the vice president in munich over the last 24 hours basically saying, well, if you are convinced russia's doing this, what are you waiting...