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Now, turning attention to the ron johnson letter if i may. Yes. On august 31st, Senator Johnson is getting ready to travel to ukraine on September 5th with senator murphy. And he wanted johnson wanted the aid released, he calls the president , he actually sought permission to be the bearer of good news. Right. The president said, im not ready to lift the aid. And they had this Senator Johnson. He writes a ten page letter, very detailed. And he gives some remarkable deta detail. And id like to read it, its on page 6. I add this is Senator Johnson speaking, i asked him whether there was some kin...

Didn't have any idea that the aid had been held up, when we had -- at least five people testify that they did. >> they knew in july -- >> there were a lot of people who knew -- that they knew it had been held up and they were concerned about it. he was making these arguments that had been making republican talking points. i would expect more from him frankly. >> i'm not sure anybody was moved by what they saw today. the only thing probably more confusing for the american people than watching congressmen fight over this is watching staffers fight over it. the same information rediscussed, am di...

Bit -- you start to question what the motivation is, the other thing also, i don't think that people are just looking for excuses to defend the president, i think there's been some mistrust back and forth, and i think there's some members of the gop that have justified some of these things in their minds. >> they're sitting there saying, well, this can't actually be happening, so it must be this or it must be -- i just think that -- >> why? why are they doing that? >> i know. >> it's like the republican reckoning now. >> no, but -- there's a reason. think about this, all of the republicans tha...

Give them flu shots. and after the murders in el paso and daten, he has one phone call with the nra and he backs off meaningful background checks p.m. he told the nra they were off the table. as he left the white house today, the president could not send a clear message on this incredibly urgent issue. >> i have an appetite for background checks. we're going to be doing background chics. we're working with democrats, republicans, and we already have very strong background checks. we're going to be filling in some of the loopholes as we call them, we're dealing with am dids, we're dealing with ...

Really change after that, because -- i mean, at some point he seemed to side with am dids, and then republicans would speak and he'd go back to their position and go back to the democratic position. i mean, really things haven't changed since that immigration meeting. both sides were treated to their partisan corners. >> that is my worst fear, everyone's worst fear, we are where we are. and i think one difference is, that he has made this really clear, ten times, he wanted a strong universal background check bill. and the american people saw him do that, he unlike other cases where he said i w...