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They were thrown in there against michael cohen to pressure donald trump. i have worked on many campaigns, and never, never was anybody -- if you have to pay hush money, which is not criminal but it's unseemly. you can't use contributed funds for it. so he is 100% right about those charges. one thing i think he has to worry about is the ami charge, the american media. he says he didn't pay american media. >> harris: he said he didn't know he paid that. that's what he said. he doesn't know that there was money therefore it. be six to get women to go in. that was the question. >> harris: adrienn...

Payment charge is that it reinforces what cohen, his low-level fixer/lawyer, has supposedly been telling anyone who will listen. that he was doing these dirty deeds for donald trump, because if it was just michael cohen, the president would be able to say "no, he's a liar." then i have the ami charge of payments meant to influence the outcome of an election, which supports that pattern of illegal behavior. i'm sorry, ari, i disagree with you. i'm not a lawyer but i think the charges together and do -- they do represent illegal activity, if they are proven to be true. >> harris: i want to go to...