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On both sides of the aisle are asking is the writer courageous or a coward? let's discuss now with cnn global affairs analyst max booth and cnn political commentators scott jennings. i find this fascinating. so many people are wondering who wrote this, who wrote it, who wrote it? so, scott, both of you wrote things tonight, right? both of you have op-peds. in your op-ped on cnn.com, scott, you posed a question, this question, set aside whether you love or hate drup donald tr and his policies, is it right for unelected people to make decisions for him? is this a signal we want to send the rest ...

Anti-abortion base. they're very disappointed tonight. i think mike pence is very disappointed. he went with pence to woo the evangelical and catholic base. now that they have not received their ideal nominee, it's clear the president is acting really in his own interest. it may wind up being in the interest of the country, and that would be a happy accident. >> this is what your piece is called today, max. it says, consider the cost of your dream court conservatives. you said, trump is doing long-term damage not just to the country in general but to the rule of law in particular. the same rul...

Now that they have not received their ideal nominee, it's clear the president is acting really in his own interest. it may wind up being in the interest of the country, and that would be a happy accident. >> this is what your piece is called today, max. it says, consider the cost of your dream court conservatives. you said, trump is doing long-term damage not just to the country in general but to the rule of law in particular. the same rule of law that judges are supposed to uphold, tolerating his reign of error would not be worth it even if he filled every seat on the supreme court with anton...

That effects personal interest. recusal doesn't come into play because a judge has had an issue in the past. it comes in with personal conflicts of interest. i'm not aware of any reason brett kavanaugh would have to recuse from that investigation. >> we know how he feels about presidential power and independence of organizations and of agencies. where do you think he stands on the fbi and the department of justice and their independence as well? >> you know, i think judges come at cases not having a position on the parties. i think judges come to cases with legal issues presented to them. i'm ...

Knowledgeable and you've been very helpful. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. good to be here. >> absolutely. now i want to bring in cnn global affairs analyst max booth and cnn contributor michael dean deantonio. max, what did you think of the conversation i just had? >> that's pretty much what you'd expect rachel brand to say because she's a conservative republican. from everything i've seen, i don't necessarily line up ideologically where brett kavanaugh is. i'm more of a middle of the road, but he certainly seems to be well qualified for the supreme court....