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Circles. and the issue is when it's finally put in front of somebody in ways that simply cannot be ignored that we have a high degree of confidence where osama bin laden is and we know what to do, at that point failure to act could be almost as politically damaging to a president -- martha: i don't think anybody takes away the credit from the president of course for making that final decision which is obviously a chief executive decision. doug, you know there have been a couple of these books, this one, anded kline put out a book that claims that hillary clinton -- he was reporting recently th...

I-k ert. >> it brings back dodgey activities that ben quayle was involved in a couple of years ago. bill: what do you say to your challenger? >> it's a nice thing that we are revealing his true colors here. this is a person who has lied continuously during this campaign. and he's trying to take this story that is untrue about me and my wife. i talked to my pastor when i got home about swimming in the sea of gallilee and take water home. this was very important for me and my wife. to make a jump and say something that i was not a part of, nor did i see, it just shows his character at lying whic...