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The hapless, crazy, brainless trump policy like actually delivering something. putin has to show that trump is not just, as you said in the previous segment, beholden to him but that he can actually get something out of him. that's what we don't see any sign of yet. >> andre, i'm sorry to do this to you but this is television. do you think that putin wants a genuinely cooperative relationship with the united states or does he want to be the spoiler? the principal opponent of an american led world order, and we have to do this in 45 seconds, i'm sorry to tell you? >> in my youth, moscow was pro...

Court, when, in fact, his national security advisor is in trouble with the law, and so much else. i can't agree that we should have a completely calm head when it comes to donald trump, the president of the united states. this is a very dangerous situation. i want good relations with russia, china, not just our friends, but adversaries, too. i'm not out of my mind we want that. but the problem is we're living in an emergency when the president of the united states behaves the way he does. >> andre, you understand the inside of russian foreign policy. it did strike me that donald trump was sayi...

Let's keep going. we have a terrific panel today, david recommend nick, the editor of the new yorker and author. andre kosarev was russia's foreign minister minister, the first after the fall of the soviet union, and steve savage vich was the ambassador under president clinton. katrina, you think we're all overacting to the helsinki summit. explain. >> i think we need sober realism on russia, fareed. we need more reason, less talk