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Leverage. the incentives that we give russia to act responsibly. he wants a big deal in syria, for example, and yet his clear goal is to get out of syria. that isn't going to give putin much reason to think he has to take our views into account. on the basis of certain kind of unity, leverage, you can move russian/american relations forward. i think we often exaggerate how bad they are. in the past four years, after a major challenge from russia in the ukraine crisis we've had a coming together of the alliance, we've had more resources devoted to deterring russia. we've had greater caution in ...

Court, when, in fact, his national security advisor is in trouble with the law, and so much else. i can't agree that we should have a completely calm head when it comes to donald trump, the president of the united states. this is a very dangerous situation. i want good relations with russia, china, not just our friends, but adversaries, too. i'm not out of my mind we want that. but the problem is we're living in an emergency when the president of the united states behaves the way he does. >> andre, you understand the inside of russian foreign policy. it did strike me that donald trump was sayi...

That's a separate issue on what donald trump is going to do today and unable to -- >> bill: do you think they should subpoena the interpreter who was there. maybe we should subpoena with the interpreter with obama and bush. >> i think it's important when the president suggests it's okay for our people to be interviewed by the russian officials, thation not right. >> bill browder over. that conversation and comes up with the montenegro example. >> bill: hang on. >> i would love to see trey gowdy question the interpreter who was there when president obama promised more flexibility after he was e...