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Some point down the line on specific articles of impeachment. perhaps one related directly to the substance of the ukraine call and the ask to china, and then one related to obstruction. and every time that the white house says we're not complying with a subpoena, that is the another piece of evidence that they can put in that obstruction file. >> and annie, garrett mentioned the ask to china. this is really hard to keep track of because the president either on phone calls or otherwise has now decided that the way to confuse everybody about this is to ask everybody to investigate joe biden and...

Who is acting ambassador to ukraine. sondland says in the second part of this text, the president is trying to evaluate whether ukraine is going to adopt the reforms that president zelensky promised during his campaign. i suggest we stop back and forth by text. if you still have kens, concern give lisa or s a call to discuss them directly. annie karni, i just want to put it out there, there have been times when you can be texting with somebody be and the point is not getting across, and it might be more easily solved with a phone call. is it possible that that is what is happening here? >> sur...

That is going on. and second, he has people functioning outside of their regular specific lanes and that creates -- this is according to my reporting over the weekend about foreign policy officials, it creates a blurry area where no one knows the full picture except for donald trump. different people are performing roles for him that really are outside of their purview. and that is how he runs his entire foreign policy that is disrupting the established ways of doing things. so critical to the whole story that sondland, a trump loyalist, campaign donor to him who has nothing to do with ukraine...

That all of us learned from 2015/16 in terms of good governance and even engagement and sharing information that frankly the house republicans, they enjoy beating up on the obama administration, beating us up aggressively. they are thousand actually flipping the script and engaging much more aggressive partisanship in the other direction. and they are violating the oaths of office to be transparent with the american people and with the congress right now. >> garrett haake, do you have any information as to why gordon sondland would not testify, why he was stopped from testifying and why to ann...

Senior reporter. to that point if i'm now the ceo of name the company. delta, apple, pepsi, disney. any of them, am i not sitting on pins and needles thinking if any one of my tens of thousands of employees, any basic tweet defending the values of democracy, i could lose tens of millions, maybe billions of dollars worth of business from china? >> yeah, you are. that's absolutely right and there are many companies amongst several of the companies you named that are grossly overexposed in china. and that's very a simple reason. for 1.5 billion reasons that china has. which is the leverage that i...