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Directly, for there is no better witness to his character than his own words and no better evidence of the danger he poses than his own conduct. cnn's senior media correspondent oliver darcy joins us now. axios is reporting that the anonymous author has agreed to at least one interview to coincide with the publication of his or her book. what do we know about that? and do we believe this person plans to reveal themselves at that time? >> we don't know actually too much about not only the book but this interview that's supposed to take place. we don't know what format it's going to be in. we do...

Have seen something, what am i obligated to do, what are the legal processes, and he did it. look, i want to hear this information. i want to have this story. i just wish other people in the trump administration would have the courage to come out and say, look, this is what we are seeing, what the american people need to be warned about, and i wish they would have done it earlier and i wish more of them would do it and be willing to step up the way some of the whistle-blowers that we're seeing now have been willing to do through the proper procedures or actually walking up to capitol hill and ...

So we have to just take their word for it i guess. but i think if you work for a president, if you feel so strongly that their policies are against your principles, then you should quit. and then you can write your book and you can do it publicly, not anonymously. i think the anonymity that the resistance is relying on in everything, you see it with the so-called whistle-blower in the ukraine case. why so much anonymity? if they actually have a valid case, you think they could put their name to it. >> dana: it's like asking about the courage of their convictions. they don't have that but they ...

They are contributors to the .500 people that we mentioned in north carolina. that means thousands of people convicted of serious violent crimes are on the streets today because local law enforcement is not cooperating with ice so they can do their job and keep communities safer. >> shannon: there's a lot of heat on both sides of that conversation. we will watch. >> i think we're going to get to a good outcome, thank you. first a "new york times" op-ed, the anonymous author who claims the trump administration author claims the book is on the way, is it a deep state to take down? what we know, ...

To provide victims rights for dangerous sensory policies and in north carolina we have a handful of our largest counties that are practicing in this and they are contributors to the 500 people we mentioned in north carolina. that means thousands of people convicted of serious violent crimes are on the streets today because local law enforcement is not cooperating with ice so they can do their job and keep communities safer. >> there's a lot of heat on both sides of that conversation. >> i think we are going to get a good outcome, thank you. >> new york times op-ed, the anonymous author who cla...