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Since you've raised this defense for the president, i'll call it the defense. you're going to poll numbers as test of worth. it was nothing in the '30s and he was dead right. lincoln was probably a terrible poll numbers and he was dead right. so that's not it. it's a question of, do you think barack obama's measured up to your own expectations of his ability to lead the country forthrightly and courageously on issues. for example, i will ask where is the immigration policy? where is the bill? everybody know what is it will involve. why isn't he putting it forth? energy, everybody knows what ne...

I think what's interesting is we've been getting asked about this all day by journalists. the pentagon and mcchrystal's team has not raised this at all once, as far as i know, so there's no question that this story is accurate and complete and fair picture and was done according to the rules. >> let's take it as far as your article wrote. very good at backgrounding this article. pointed out twice before as you said last june mcchrystal got caught or certainly was blamed for leaking a report that said he needed more troops. he then came out publicly in a press conference in europe and basically...

What's astounding about the opening scene you quoted with the joe biden bite me quote is that the time that mcchrystal got in trouble before was for answering a question after a speech in london about the vice president in which he sort of mocked the vice president's strategy, and here he is again in a room preparing for a speech in paris wondering what kinds of questions he might get about biden and joking in front of a reporter about how he's going to laugh off the vice president, so that's -- that was -- that was one of the most astounding things to me. >> there's an old trick of journalism...

>> yes, yes, we will. >> and -- >> okay. >> ant second question which has been bothering me, do you believe, i know you're a democrat, do you believe this democratic administration has reached out and explored all the possibilities for dealing with stopping this spill we're looking at live right now, or have they focused too much on the capabilities and the integrity of the bp corporation? >> no. i think the administration and the unified command has brought forth best minds we can find in the university setting, our national labs and all the best minds we can find. how do you stop this? i pre...

Go on later to say they plan to ask for more troops next summer so it's a very disturbing look inside the war room of the top commanders. >> why would a general of mcchrystal's capability, apparent -- obvious capability and experience and we have to presume street smarts trust these thoughts and words to a magazine known for its counterculture attitude? >> well, that's an excellent question. i mean, i think this is a general -- this isn't the first time he's been called out like this. this is the second or maybe third time where he's leaked something or said something that got him called on th...