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Press conference in europe and basically dashed the idea the vice president had of a much leaner operation over there, in particular getting al qaeda, but otherwise staying out of country. he trashed that idea publicly. he was brought in -- his top people -- the top pentagon people were put on the carpet for that. and also you pointed out that this guy always pushes the envelope. he learned it at west point, push as far as you can. it must be somewhere in your editorial thinking, you must know, where you've taken this story in terms of his career. >> absolutely. what's astounding about the ope...

Sources from the outside and i don't want to pretend these are the deep pentagon sources, but the thing that they said first and foremost was why would he, to your question, why would he not only do the interview but do such an in-depth -- the guy was with him for a month? why would you do that knowing kind of the tact that "rolling stone" takes to articles, a little bit snarkier, a little tongue in cheek. why if you were the head of the american effort in afghanistan would some press person say, you know what, i think this is a good idea. that, to me s the one that i can't get over. >> okay. ...

Reporting and journalism works. it's just astounding, the only word that i can think of, piece when you read it. >> yeah. i just have to believe there was some piece of this that we're going to get in a couple of days, like this was part of a military effort to reach out to young people, to hit people. how you and i go to the movies and there will be an ad for the military, some way to reach that younger demo and if you go to "rolling stone" you'll reach kids who normally don't hear about the military life and might be able to advance recruitment a little bit. why else would he do the intervie...

I think what's interesting is we've been getting asked about this all day by journalists. the pentagon and mcchrystal's team has not raised this at all once, as far as i know, so there's no question that this story is accurate and complete and fair picture and was done according to the rules. >> let's take it as far as your article wrote. very good at backgrounding this article. pointed out twice before as you said last june mcchrystal got caught or certainly was blamed for leaking a report that said he needed more troops. he then came out publicly in a press conference in europe and basically...