sources from the outside and i don't want to pretend these are the deep pentagon sources, but the thing that they said first and foremost was why would he, to your question, why would he not only do the interview but do such an in-depth -- the guy was with him for a month? why would you do that knowing kind of the tact that "rolling stone" takes to articles, a little bit snarkier, a little tongue in cheek. why if you were the head of the american effort in afghanistan would some press person say, you know what, i think this is a good idea. that, to me s the one that i can't get over. >> okay. i'm thinking to the president's advisers, my favorite question to you is who is in the room when you make a decision, true of everybody. there's certain people you call, your lifeline. the president's got jim jones in the room with him as he makes this decision. the director of national security. this fellow, this general has been quoted as calling -- someone on his team has been calling that guy a clown. >> yeah. >> you can't do worse than that in a military than call a top general a clown.