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Rich, voting against both. sounding more like john kerry. >> isn't that because he's a fiscal conservative? >> no. actually, no. as we know, that was revisionist history to repackage the set of expectations for the presidential campaign in 2008. we can also point out more revisionism where john has suddenly embraced those cuts and wants to see them continued. we certainly welcome a conversion, but i think most arizona conservatives are skeptical that we would see john mccain in a fifth term. as you pointed out, he relishes the role of the maverick. now, in this primary, we'll see republicans a...

Culture. let's all learn to disagree in agreeable fashion. >> on that note, we can agree. thank you very much. we'll be following the campaign. hope to have you back soon. democrats and republicans trading charges over threats and violence aimed at current lawmakers. the latest on these acts with rachel maddow coming up. the white house makes another attempt at helping struggling homeowners. plus, what president obama reading these days? cameras caught the president thumbing through books written by mitt romney and karl rove in iowa on thursday. of course, he didn't buy one. instead, he ...

Thank you very much. it's good to see you. john mccain has always been known as a maverick. what specifically are your objections to john mccain and why shouldn't he have the party's nomination and loyalty after all of his service? >> well, first of all, thanks for the chance to join you today. i think every american respects john mccain, his service and very real sacrifice on behalf of the united states, but after 24 years in the senate and 28 years over all in washington, d.c., i think most arizona republicans and most arizona conservatives are happy to say john, thanks for your service. let...

Question. it may be. but the fact is we cannot permit government to erode liberties to the extent that they can just tell us what we have to buy. if that's so, why have a cash for clunkers bill? just have the government tell us what kind of chevy we got to buy or what kind of car we got to buy. nobody in this country is going to want to see that. i personally think there's a limit to how far you can go under article i of the constitution and this is going way, way too far. >> it was first proposed or one of the earlier proposals along these lines was in 1993 when you and other republicans came...

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