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the secretary of state john kerry has been meeting at the united nations with the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov. one of them or both of them might be coming to the microphones to report on what's going on. the breaking news we're following russia today launched air strikes in syria. u.s. officials say there may be though no isis forces in the target areas. the areas targeted by the russian aircraft. we're back with democratic congresswoman tulsi gabbard of hawaii, member of the armed services and foreign affairs committee also an iraq war combat veteran. do you have any idea right now what russia's overall intentions are in syria? >> wolf, i think that's hard to say. i think there's no question that russia has long been an ally of assad. so their presence there frankly is not surprising. i think what's interesting to note here though are the
similarities between what we see happening now in syria with actually what happened in world war ii. we saw some different types of alliances during world war ii where the american leadership at that time allied themselves with st stalin. people were saying horrific things. there's no quell about stalin's responsibility for killing millions of people. stalin was worse than, you know, saddam hussein, assad, gadhafi and all these guys combined. but the american leadership at that time saw the necessity of joining forces and staying very focused on exactly who was threatening the american people, who our enemy was at that time and built alliances with those who shared that common objective and got the job done. if that hadn't have happened we'd be living in a very different world today. >> what i hear you saying, it
that john kerry and sergey have been talking and trying, wolf, for weeks to get this political process together. obviously russians have support for assad but secretary kerry was supposed to bring along the saudis, turks, anti assad crowd into largs eva larger process a getting some political transition to go after isis and also try and calm the very fragile political situation on the ground. clearly, what the russians have done in the last 24 hours changed the reality on the
assad. that's their bottom line. that's their goal. we've got to remember our goal which is to take out isis and defeat our enemy. >> some say the goal should also be and the u.s. has said this for several years to get rid of bashar al assad who is a butcher who slaughtered 200,000, 300,000 of his own people, 7 million homeless right now, displaced people internally, e ternlly. he must go. >> there's no doubt, wolf, that bashar al assad is an evil, evil dictator who has done tremendous harm to so many people. again, i go back to the necessity for us as the united states to learn from our lessons in the past. the same things that are being said about assad were said about saddam hussein. they were said about gadhafi in libya. and let's look at the status. let's look at the state of affairs in libya and iraq today. the question that the administration and no one else is advocating to take out assad is answering is what happens next. i'll tell you what happens. what happens is assad gets taken out, isis and these islamic