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Being implemented to help the president politically. those are two different things. >> that is the organizing principle. one of the questions alluded to, what is the direct tie to the president? we know rudy giuliani has the president's ear directly. gordon sondland, political appointee, a donor to the trump campaign, he's speaking directly to the president about it. that's what i think is so interesting about these witnesses so far. that this initial whistle-blower complaint was so full saying there were so many people saying this was important. saying this is way out of bounds. it was separ...

Done tonight before they get on those planes, right? scheme. this dynamic where they have to get the real public official, i think that detail may also go the technocratic person out of some distance toward dispelling any conspiracy theorizing about why they happened right now and the way so they can replace them not any other day. with someone willing to be part it looks like why they happened of the president's scheme. right now is because these guys according to this very important were about to leave the country. article today in "the wall but if as rudy giuliani tells street journal" trum...

Get the real public official, the technocratic person out of the way so they can replace them with someone willing to be part of the president's scheme. according to this very important article today in "the wall street journal" trump and giuliani appear to have not only done that with the u.s. ambassador, they appear to have done that inside the white house itself when it comes to military aid to ukraine. according to "the wall street journal" they replaced career staffers inside the white house who worked on budget issues after those career officials raised concerns about the legality of the...

Saying that security assistance and a white house meeting are are conditioned on investigations? and that other diplomat, political appointee, gordon sondland replies call me. >> i want to go back to hans nichols. i'm getting a note that the president is boarding marine 1 right now. as i've been going through these notes, he has repeatedly said this is not about politics for me. yet it looks from this last batch of notes like he's attacking joe biden. >> he's attacking joe biden in remarkably personal terms. this is one of the challenges for the president. he's claiming on the one hand this is...

Intelligence, dan coats. >> ari: political appointee. [laughs] >> melissa: both are political appointees. it throws it out the window when you have people who are supposed to not be political, like call me, like peter strzok, like lisa page, these are supposed to be who are not political appointees who are not in politics on the on one side of the other. and they clearly were. making the argument on the road, we now know that everyone is political. i would say two things about the origins of this investigation. one, what's important, you said many times of this whole thing started with papadop...