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Business owner and brant pat. brant, i want to start with you. do you think we'll see a rule change coming out of these meetings? >> it's hard for me to imagine the owners will be able to force players and say stand for the national anthem. i sense an issue with the players union on that. what i hope will happen is there will be a gentleman's agreement going forward, because there is no question that there are issues and pressures on the business side in this particular matter, stephanie. >> all right. appe andrew, at the end of the day, is there any thought that players, the union and owners ...

He's trying to sue for collusion. i think it will be difficult to prove that there were explicit agreements between owners, although there might have been tacit agreement behind the scenes. >> couldn't the owners say i don't want to touch this, it's too complicated. not that that's fair to kaepernick. andrew? >> i think that's happened. i think teams look to kaepernick for more than his football ability, i think that's obvious. but as pat said, it's not collusion to say, we would rather go with this guy, we would rather go with that guy, we don't want to deal with the extra collusion he is cre...

Demographic of fans today are watching sports streaming. >> i have fans at my house and they're watching it streaming. andrew, your thought? >> i think if teams had these ratings, they would be happy. i think the next round of negotiations will not only include nbc, cbs, fox, espn but will include twitter, facebook, google, apple and all twitter and youtube. and the nfl will sell to networks and they'll sell to digital media, and their popularity and prosperity will continue, in my mind. >> the last time i checked, football apps weren't getting discontinued any time soon. thank you, patrick ri...

Together to create a bilateral solution. the players have some leverage here, because the rule, as you mentioned in the opening is should, not must, should. if owners really want them to stand for the anthem, to move to other business and make them stick to sports, what are they going to give up for the players? we're talking about issues players have supported. criminal justice reform, having a boot camp about social and racial issues. these are the kind of things that are on the table as players and owners meet to come up with some bilateral -- not unilateral -- bilateral solution between th...