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Ultimately is do republicans want to give him a pass on that or do they feel in the senate that it's not worth the removal ratio. all i'm saying is that it just presents an appearance problem for the president. what possibly does he have to gain by giuliani talking today, tomorrow on the eve of the impeachment vote? >> nothing. i mean, bad headlines, again, this yovanovitch was somebody who had a stellar career, rooted out corruption in the places that she worked, and here he is openly admitting that he tried to oust her for reasons that, i mean, clearly siding with corrupt former ukrainian pr...

All a lie that's best to ignore." you've seen the letters that they came from the campaign warning media outlets. talking about it, or stop booking certain people. we talked about that. >> well, the problem is that there is an obvious sort of conflict of interest on its face that deals with 100 biden was doing while his father, as vice president, west point man on foreign policy matters, affecting countries who stood to be affected -- stood to affect hunter biden's interests, so he had a conflict there and you don't have to do anything wrong, exactly, or illegal, in order for that to be a prob...

Talked about how this has been fully investigated and there's nothing there although i don't know a lot of people who have been investigating it. he outlines what has and hasn't happened and says there's no reason the media cannot pursue allegations against the trumps and the bidens. but that would counter their narrative there's nothing wrong with hunter biden's dealings and it is all a, quote, lie it is best to ignore. you saw the letters morning certain media outlets about tacking about it or stop booking certain people. we talked about that. >> the problem is there's an obvious conflict of...

Something that happens every day, the last name biden in some of these cases causes the appearance of something that has to be addressed? >> i would say vice president biden has an appearance problem at minimum. equity investments, $1.5 billion are not usually made to young people in new companies. goldman sachs, jpmorgan, there could be $50 billion but this seems to be very unusual and hunter biden's lack of experience and riding on air force to with his father, the transaction in happening so soon thereafter, the president is being sarcastic about trying to encourage the media to look into t...

Biden attached to it or carry in some of these cases causes the appearance of something that didn't have to be addressed? >> i would say vice president biden has an appearance problem at a minimum. equity investments of $1.5 billion are not usually made to young people in brand-new companies. goldman sachs, jpmorgan, yes, that's very understandable. they can be $50 billion, but this seems to be very unusual and hunter biden's lack of experience and his writing on air force to with his father and in the transaction happening so soon thereafter, the president is being sarcastic obviously and try...