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Stamp thans blacks. >> isn't that a dependent society and building a dependent society? >> you can say that about every white person who gets food stamps or hispanic. >> food stamps are color-blind. >> they were directed athe black community. >> coming around, folks. >> i am trying to be honest about some of the things i recognize. joy we appreciate it. >> that's why bob is awesome. >> i felt like we had a breakthrough moment here. i can feel it. i don't know what chris matthews is doing, but i feel like that whole network, they are just chasing an audience or something. it is some kind of big...

>> more white people get food stamps than blacks. >> isn't that dependent society we're building a dependent society. >> you can say that about every white person who gets food stamps, every hispanic. >> well, food stamps are color blind, bob. >> that's right. there were programs directly directed at the black community. >> he's coming around, folks. >> yeah. >> listen, i'm trying to be honest here about some of the things that i recognize. >> we appreciate it. >> that's why bob's awesome. kimberly, what are your thoughts? >> i thought we had a breakthrough moment here. i can feel it. look, i ...

On this? >> well -- >> appeasement puddle. >> aapologize for everything at all times for everything. that's kind of in my nature. i don't think chris matthews speaks for most white-haired people even. in fourth and fifth grade when i lived in denver, denver was one of the first cities to start the integrated school system and try to do it through bussing. so in the morning instead of walking three blocks to a school right near me, i had to be bussed 18 miles into school. i was one of only four white kids in the whole school that was in fourth and fifth grade to the point where i was, you know,...

On this? >> well -- >> appeasement puddle. >> aapologize for everything at all times for everything. that's kind of in my nature. i don't think chris matthews speaks for most white-haired people even. in fourth and fifth grade when i lived in denver, denver was one of the first cities to start the integrated school system and try to do it through bussing. so in the morning instead of walking three blocks to a school right near me, i had to be bussed 18 miles into school. i was one of only four white kids in the whole school that was in fourth and fifth grade to the point where i was, you know,...

Ease of welfare -- >> more white people get food stamps than blacks. >> isn't that dependent society we're building a dependent society. >> you can say that about every white person who gets food stamps, every hispanic. >> well, food stamps are color blind, bob. >> that's right. there were programs directly directed at the black community. >> he's coming around, folks. >> yeah. >> listen, i'm trying to be honest here about some of the things that i recognize. >> we appreciate it. >> that's why bob's awesome. kimberly, what are your thoughts? >> i thought we had a breakthrough moment here. i ca...