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The senate. so we have three fairly difficult pathways here. and not a lot of time. it is important that representatives of both parties here default is not an option. and that we pursue a responsible deal. i think the path forward is through our appropriations process, and passing a clean debt ceiling. >> that small group, who has biden's ear is referencing about fourth -- they don't want negotiations taking place. certainly mccarthy is listening to them because he needs their votes. he definitely want to pass a bill that democrats would support more the republicans, do so right now are reall...

Republican party behind him. let's hope that those negotiations yield some results. >> bill: josh, kevin mccarthy told maria two things that stuck out to me. he said there must be caps on spending. he is not giving in on that. and then he said a clean debt ceiling will never pass. that suggests that republicans are still united. >> absolutely. that much, bill, has been clear since january. that is the thing i don't understand. it took the president 104 days to begin wrapping his mind around the fact that a clean debt ceiling could never pass. not would, could never pass a house republican cong...

Mr. higher loyalty james comey and yet they get off scot free? why do i believe if any conservative was involved in and effort to alter an election of this country and tip the scales of balance in an election and desperate out right russian lies like this that there would be consequences, especially members of the fbi that have been politicizeed. >> no, it's the double standard, you're right. if conservatives were involved in anything like this they would be going after them nonstop but the other way around you never see them actually held to account. that's why we have to look at the power of...

The worst-case scenario is terrifying. it looks like a 2008-like scenario again. these are the type of projections that could really scare people. there's an appropriate time and place for a budget fight, and that's the appropriations process. that's how the system works. if republicans feel like they need to shut down government in order to get their point across about less spending, that's great. do that through the proportions process. >> the white house position has become, there is no plan "b" here for not coming to an agreement with mccarthy. are you in effect saying, if we go off that c...

It is a responsible thing to do. what we do now is we need a bipartisan response, or responsible were sponsor, patriotic response, instead of trying to hold their government hostage to the demands for raising the debt ceiling, which would be massive cuts to veterans, education, law enforcement, to childcare, that's not the way to govern responsibly. we have a way to do it, we should keep the debt salient separate from the appropriations process. that is what we've done in the past. >> congresswoman, just yesterday, president biden sat down with my colleague, stephanie -- one of the things they...