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Most it is a sort of partial pr defense because it does not deal with why the former president didn't just return these in other words, if he just mistakenly took them, why didn't he just do what mike pence has done and say, oh, here's what we have, and i'm going to turn this over, and you can come look at all the documents to make sure they're actually all returned, so it's really not a great pr move as i said, remember, this is defense counsel, and you know, sometimes you don't have a lot to work with >> andrew weissmann, laura jarrett, good to have both of you here thank you. and all of t...

F freeman. he spent 31 years as the chief first amendment lawyer in the legal department of the new york new york city. re it's really great to have you. i've spoken to you a lot about the first amendment and our role as journalists it's a tough job, defending journalism because it's combative and people get angry about it this trial centers around the first amendment. fox is arguing they have unlimited defense there because it was news worthy although they're not allowed to argue news worthiness. talk to me about what's at stake here and is it as easy as saying fox did something bad and they ...

Mount his own defense in that he would be saying, look, i'm doing it out in the open, ie, i have been doing nothing wrong. >> it is an interesting pr defense. the one approach might be hey, rudy, stop doing anything with ukraine, but the other approach, just as you suggested might be oh, you think i'm doing something wrong in ukraine, i'm not going to super do things in ukraine, just to show that i'm doing absolutely nothing wrong. it is a bit of a risk, because every day, he's involved in ukraine, he could be committing acts that other folks think are unlawful, even though he may think they a...

Doesn't want a legal defense. he wants a pr defense. that's going out there in this fashion and fighting. >> these asides in courtrooms when a lawyer will say something he knows is going to get struck. it's an objection. jury, you weren't supposed to hear that. pretend you didn't hear that. he wants to get information to the jury that he is not legally allowed to get to. >> maybe. i want to raise a third possibility. this is just rudy giuliani shooting from the hip and doing his own thing. the president kind of likes it because it's combative, but it's not strategic at all. it's just a guy act...

It appears all of us have been compromised on facebook, or a lot of people have. julia, what do you think of mark zuckerberg's testimony? will this do a lot to move the ball forward? all eyes are on him. >> it is interesting because we don't see mark zuckerberg give a lot of public interviews. he likes to stay behind the scenes and leave it to facebook's pr team. so it will be interesting to see how he handles the testimony. i think we have seen congress really go after a lot of firms in silicon valley for their conduct during the 2016 election. so it will be interesting to see how he conducts...