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Right now. >> i think the biggest risk we could take is try to play it safe. so i think this idea of electability is an illusion and a dangerous one. >> i have been to blue states, red states, purple states, red parts of blue states. all because i'm reaching out to run for president of all of america. and i think a lot of folks are ready for change in 2020 is our big chance. >> we need a candidate that is not the safe bet. we need the candidate that can speak not just to the head but to the heart and the gut. that's the candidate who i am. >> in other words, a long shot. i'm joined by jason jo...

Are they going to go to war? >> i don't think the top candidates are. >> kamala too. >> yeah. >> are they going to go to war? are they going to wait for cory. >> they're going to let them -- >> the pie charts. >> they're going to do the suicide mission, and the top three candidates are going to try to establish themselves as trying to be electable. elizabeth warren hasn't attacked many people. bernie sanders didn't. he left it to his surrogates. >> enough about the emails. >> he's the guy, i'm not going to do that. i don't think we're going to get this big melee from the top three. >> i would ...

Ball game. >> if you want to show you're electable, win something. >> here's the catch. if you're talking about intensity and ground game, bernie sanders has a great ground game, he has intensity. the reason i question whether or not he's electable is i don't know if bernie sanders has hit his ceiling. the people who like him love him, and they don't want to support anybody else, but i don't see -- elizabeth warren has jumped because she ate all of kamala harris' supporters. i don't see bernie sanders pulling supporters away from other people and gaining in his lead. >> although it's interesti...

Disappointments as well. and i can think of several cases where if we had a different no, ma'am me we would have picked -- likely picked up the seat in '10. this time i think our -- nominees or -- going to be uniformly electable. high quality. so i disagree with the analysis. i think that all of our candidates in 2012, given the field we have in those primaries, the likely nominee, are electable. especially in light of the challenges the democratic candidates have breaking with the president over this tax decrease on the middle class. >> i want to ask about taxes. what's wrong with having two ...

2012 and in some ways, republicans ought to be wary of the fact that the obama campaign might be one of the earliest operating campaigns of either party. they are beginning to assemble not just a staff, but they know some of the states where they want to put early organizations in. they know what some of the weaknesses are they've got to deal with. they know they've got to work hard to reengage some of sporters. they have a sense of the states that could be a little more difficult or states that people may not be looking at that they think they might have a shot of at least putting into play. ...