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Or election officials trying to destroy from within can do. they include voter roll punches, compromising voter equipment and pushing massive disinformation. imagine on january 6th of 2021 if key secretaries of state from key swing states were gaslighting the american people. that in itself would create a level of distrust in the election system. so i think that these -- this -- what is happening needs to be paid attention to. luckily, voters will have a good opportunity in 2022. democracy is going to be on the ballot, and we need to ensure that secretaries of state are elected who believe in ...

Paid attention to. luckily, voters will have a good opportunity in 2022. democracy is going to be on the ballot, and we need to ensure that secretaries of state are elected who believe in the right to vote and upmolding the will of the people. >> how easy is it to find out about the people who are running for these positions? i mean, a lot of places, you know, these aren't big campaigns that people pay attention to. >> well, i think that's a great place for the media to come in. and there has been more media attention on secretary of state races because of what happened in 2020. sec they were ...

Something like this. it's uncivil and unnecessary. >> this is why you're a linguist. used to be, used to think of. you said nazis used to think of jewish people as a race. that was simply put. those aren't big words. right now in 2022 race has a very specific meaning. explain what it is and how it can actually create blind spots in our conversation. >> well, we have to understand that race is the third rail in america's current conversation, and that means that there is a special sensitivity about that issue. however, that doesn't mean that anybody thinks that what happened in the holocaust wa...

Weeks. anybody who thinks that's normal is forgetting what normal leitch w -- life was like in, say, 2014. you don't push somebody out for something like this. it's uncivil and unnecessary. >> this is why you're a linguist. used to be, used to think of. you said nazis used to think of jewish people as a race. that was simply put. those aren't big words. right now in 2022 race has a very specific meaning. explain what it is and how it can actually create blind spots in our conversation. >> well, we have to understand that race is the third rail in america's current conversation, and that means ...

And basically he can make the baltics fall like that. >> bill: he could. latvia a lithuania, estonia, these aren't big countries but they have nato forces there. >> jesse: right. that's the risk. >> bill: they have american forces there, too. article 5 of the nato charter says attack on one is an attack on all. when we were hit on 9/11, nato had our back. and, you know, to your point, we could reach the moment where putin tests nato. will he stop here? or will he continue? that's a golden question, jesse. i don't think anyone has that tonight. >> jesse: i think you are right. the best with the...