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To make this a referendum on donald trump? it's not about policy. it's about somebody who is going to post up against president trump and play this reality tv campaign that's going to be able to create most effectively. i think a lot of those folks have shown they've got novelty, but they're not big enough. their personalities aren't big enough. their record isn't big enough. their name i.d. isn't big enough, and it's going to shake out. john is right. these guys are living off the land. they're going a day at a time. it's social media, media, calling to talk radio. >> yeah. >> gentlemen, i ca...

Campaign that's going to be able to create most effectively. i think a lot of those folks have shown they've got novelty, but they're not big enough. their personalities aren't big enough. their name i.d. isn't big enough, and it's going to shake out. john is right. these guys are living off the land. they're going a day at a time. it's social media, media, calling to talk radio. >> yeah. >> gentlemen, i can't thank you enough. we could go an entire hour with ease, without even breaking a sweat with these two. rick wilson, john heilemann. rick, congrats to your son on graduating. he sounds lik...

It's not about policy. it's about somebody who is going to post up against president trump and play this reality tv campaign that's going to be able to create most effectively. i think a lot of those folks have shown they've got novelty, but they're not big enough. their personalities aren't big enough. their name i.d. isn't big enough, and it's going to shake out. john is right. these guys are living off the land. they're going a day at a time. it's social media, media, calling to talk radio. >> yeah. >> gentlemen, i can't thank you enough. we could go an entire hour with ease, without even b...

Your age here. not at all here, joe. but as we look at this, the new thing this cycle is, right, that money hasn't fully been the barometer to watch when we're talking about donald trump because of the way that he's been able to message one-to-one. so maybe as we look at the trending on money, there is still as we've been saying 23 days left here. he can turn this around. >> well, it's going to be very, very hard. i mean, it's really hard to overcome this kind of a money disadvantage. i mean, hillary clinton is outraising him in a phenomenal pace. and i don't know that he's ever going to catch...

The ovaries out, and they still have estrogen that seeps thousand so i think that this hormone is supposed to stop that from happening. >> mike: it's a rollercoaster for your body and your soul and you've been on a different rollercoaster with funding for the foundation and that is because all of the changes that helped policy have really made an impact, and i don't think that most people understand, but explain what's happened with the funding stream to foundations like yours. >> well, those who depend on individuals who aren't big enough. like your susan komen's, they get all of their money ...