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Committee chair and that's the sense i got from everybody. we have to stick together. we have to vote for one thing and that we won't get everything that we want. >> we have seen the moderates flexing the muscle already. joe manchin on the senate side and now you have progressive members making noise about blocking or not voting for the reconciliation package, the paul ryan -- bipartisan bill. how seriously do you take these threats? listen. >> if this package, the reconciliation bill, isn't big enough will you consider not voting for it? >> yeah. if it doesn't meet our climate and racial just...

But this is a political proceeding. it is not a criminal proceeding. and so it's quite a bit the seno be more decorum there. it isn't usually a circus-like atmosphere. it's 100 people. it's a smaller number of peopl . it would be incidentally in the house chambers. senate isn't big enough. i would look for something much more serious and subdued. >> i appreciate the opportunity to run through and tick off a number of the items that we've heard bandied about this week. you're a constitutional scholar. here's another one. i keep hearing, well, this is all hearsay. what's the likelihood there wil...

To make this a referendum on donald trump? it's not about policy. it's about somebody who is going to post up against president trump and play this reality tv campaign that's going to be able to create most effectively. i think a lot of those folks have shown they've got novelty, but they're not big enough. their personalities aren't big enough. their record isn't big enough. their name i.d. isn't big enough, and it's going to shake out. john is right. these guys are living off the land. they're going a day at a time. it's social media, media, calling to talk radio. >> yeah. >> gentlemen, i ca...

Campaign that's going to be able to create most effectively. i think a lot of those folks have shown they've got novelty, but they're not big enough. their personalities aren't big enough. their name i.d. isn't big enough, and it's going to shake out. john is right. these guys are living off the land. they're going a day at a time. it's social media, media, calling to talk radio. >> yeah. >> gentlemen, i can't thank you enough. we could go an entire hour with ease, without even breaking a sweat with these two. rick wilson, john heilemann. rick, congrats to your son on graduating. he sounds lik...

It's not about policy. it's about somebody who is going to post up against president trump and play this reality tv campaign that's going to be able to create most effectively. i think a lot of those folks have shown they've got novelty, but they're not big enough. their personalities aren't big enough. their name i.d. isn't big enough, and it's going to shake out. john is right. these guys are living off the land. they're going a day at a time. it's social media, media, calling to talk radio. >> yeah. >> gentlemen, i can't thank you enough. we could go an entire hour with ease, without even b...