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Of the 2016 election? if you don't connect that dot in the court of public opinion, nobody cares about this other stuff. i have president on it, we all have it, it's just a matter of remembering it. remember during the 90s, bill clinton wasn't being investigated for his affair with monica lewandowski, it just kind of creeped in that direction, when he committed perjury about that affair and he was impeached over it, and obviously wasn't removed from office. >> sean: that was about the paula jones lawsuit. >> exactly. it ends up being another thing all together. when that happened bill clinton'...

These fisa applications, is it true the bulk of information came from the dossier that christopher steele doesn't stand by? >> that's exactly right t not only came from the dossier, as you know christopher steele hasn't been in russia in 20 years. so even the people, the unknown people responsible for it, could easily have in fact been agents of the russian government, which would mean that hillary clinton is the one guilty of the so-called collusion. >> sean: well, that's a great irony there. you have been very critical, mark pen, of this process, from the get-go here, as you should be. i bel...

Whole investigation started with this bogus dossier, and i would like to point out people are defending the mueller probe by arguing, well he's gotten about eight or nine convictions so far. well if the definition of a good special counsel probe is how many convictions you get then the clinton white water probe was a home run, a grand slam. they got 14 convictions including the then sitting governor of arkansas and they had to do with the underlying purpose of investigation which was an alleged crooked real estate deal. these convictions have nothing to do wi to do with conspiracy, collusion w...