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Police, just backfired big time. you're right, joe biden took a lot of heat from even people like me about the crime bill but not about that portion saying we need proper police in the streets and we particularly need them now as we see crime, gun violence going up in chicago, new york and other places. >> we've talked about this a million times. i want to say it one more time. ask you this question one more time about cops on the street. obviously it is communities of color who are most disproportionately impacted when there aren't cops on the street, representatives have said so, you came on...

People would expect to be here is the entirety of his life, here is brown versus board. this is actually a courtroom drama. did that intrigue you about the film? >> when i read the skriptcript, main thing about it is that i knew didn't have to know who thurgood mar sham was in order to watch this movie. and i think that is a great thing for an audience member to know that like i can come into this without any prior idea of who this man is. and enjoy the movie and later to have a greater appreciation for him, you know, knowing all of the stuff that he did. but it's a western. he's not just thur...

Up about 8% or 9%. the deal didn't seem to scare them much. >> no, it didn't. there really is a disconnect between the market and the economy. i think, if you look at the market over the last, say, five years, this market has been one of the best bull markets of all time. i don't think you would say the same thing about the economy right now. that this is one of greatest economies of all time there is a massive disconnect because of the fed and the easy money out there that there aren't cops to put money into somewhere else. you don't have a place to put money other than the u.s. market. and t...

I certainly don't believe that we are. i haven't been introduced to anything. i would suggest in new york city this could just been a anomaly. it needs to be further researched. but i think we're in pretty good shape. >> one of the theories is that police officers are holding themselves back. i've spoken to cops because i cover law enforcement on my beat, they tell me that we're fearful if we do something, a split-second decision is going to backfire and end up going viral on the internet. how much of a role do you think that is playing, this culture right now between cops and their communitie...

A softer, less aggressive police department. and we've given them that. and now they're realizing that their way of thinking does not work. >> reporter: you don't buy this theory that cops are backing off because of a public backlash? >> no, i don't. >> reporter: cedric alexander is a member of president obama's task force in 21st century policing. >> in terms of a work slowdown or not taking calls or only responding to 911 calls, that's not what's happening across this country. >> reporter: he points to other big cities such as phoenix and los angeles where homicide rates are actually slightl...