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The good news for the ukrainians, as long as this fight continues, that means they are still in the fight. they haven't been run over. the bad news is, as the russians fail to advance their troops, they are backing up and going to the long range fire. that means the missile strikes, that means artillery, that means mortars, things less discriminate. the multiple rocket system. in mariupol like we are seeing in kharkiv. that's when the civilians pate price as have you indiscriminate fire. you can't pinpoint this stuff on military target. we see apartment buildings and bomb shelters they are tak...

Force have been used on busy shopping days when there's a risk of cars in the parking lot hitting shoppers outside at a mall, to police the parking lot to make sure pedestrians aren't hit. would you want this guy, a reserve officer having your back in a task force situation? >> no, i wouldn't. sunny's right, i think the nypd has a particularly good model here, with their auxiliary police department. these are unpaid positions, it doesn't matter what you donate or not. you go through a police academy, and you're used in traffic situations, busy shopping areas. they're not armed, they're usually...

Used on busy shopping days when there's a risk of cars in a parking lot hitting shoppers outside a mall to police the parking lot to make sure pedestrians aren't hit. would you want this guy, a reserve officer having your back in a task force situation? >> no i wouldn't. sonny's right. i think the nypd has a particularly good model here with their auxiliary police department. these are unpaid positions. doesn't matter what you donate or not. you go through a police academy and you're primarily used in traffic situations like you said busy shopping areas. they're not armed with a regular police...

Are, but we somehow know who they are not. and there is -- that doesn't hold up. >> i have to let nicole wallace who is jumping at the bit. >> i'm in an incredibly uncomfortable position of wanting to defend the tactic that the obama administration is employing. we are still at war and that is uncomfortable. the whole notion we don't know anything, we never know the details about war before an attack and i'm just curious what makes you so uncomfortable? i mean, we're getting bad guys. we are not targeting -- as you said, these are incredibly precise tartings. presidents choose between bad choi...

Black community or whether or not he should have a black agenda. while i don't think that he needs to have a black agenda, i do think that he needs to speak to these issues to get this community energized again. >> well, he is launching this offensive to energize the black community. he has a website defevoted specifically to these issues. he has a new director of african-american outreach. he's planning to hold 100 events in black communities. one of the things they're going to argue is they have done a lot for education, that they have gone into the inner city, that they're starting to work ...