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Saying he considers that obstruction of justice. >> pardons. you have sheriff on the list. his defense was contempt of court. scooter libby. campaign contribution fraud. and also the president granted clemency for the two ranchers in the malicious stand off in oregon. he bucked the norm. >> he certainly has. they talk about this entire process. the department of justice. in many of the cases the president didn't go through the department of justice. he did it on his found and got around that. there's a whole process. that you go through going to pardon someone. that hasn't happened. he certain...

There, and it never would have happened without the strong, clear, resolute leadership of president donald trump. >> that was the vice president from just tonight's rally. mike pence has been accused of playing a character beyond that of loyal vice president. his bearing and facial expressions described as both pious and permanently pained looking in ways that people just aren't normally. he's hardly the first politician accused of affecting a public persona. remember, george bush 41 desperately wanted to be seen as a rough hewn texas oil wildcatter following a chauffeured upbringing in greenw...

What the world saw this week is an american president who embraces his role as leader of the free world. it was humbling for me to be there, and it never would have happened without the strong, clear, resolute leadership of president donald trump. >> that was the vice president from just tonight's rally. mike pence has been accused of playing a character beyond that of loyal vice president. his bearing and facial expressions described as both pious and permanently pained looking in ways that people just aren't normally. he's hardly the first politician accused of affecting a public persona. re...

Mean, that's the whole architecture here, right? i mean, the conservative republican party has had a much longer level of success with a talk radio echo chamber or ecosystem -- pick your term -- and progressives have what they consider some outlets, but nothing like that until you look at what erin was talking about, the kind of explosion on the internet or social media that can create something like that. >> right. there's a complete democratization of information. the platforms are free where you used to have to have the money for the radio network to listen or to put out rush limbaugh or an...

Them, you know, do things like push for investigations of trump, cross party lines on confirmations and, you know, it will really make a difference. >> but you know, jonathan, i mean, that's the whole architecture here, right? i mean, the conservative republican party has had a much longer level of success with a talk radio echo chamber or ecosystem -- pick your term -- and progressives have what they consider some outlets, but nothing like that until you look at what erin was talking about, the kind of explosion on the internet or social media that can create something like that. >> right. th...