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Northern border than the southern border. i think we can agree, any terrorist entering the country is a bad thing. but there are simply not thousands entering over the southern border. then this claim. >> i heard numbers as high as $275 billion we lose on illegal immigration. >> i heard numbers. the president likes to say that. i would like him to show us where he got the numbers because as far as we can tell, that's not true. a study found that the cost was closer to $54 billion. even that is hard to precisely calculate. you can't tell what the cost of undocumented immigrants are because they...

Immigrants because many do pay taxes into the system even when using fake social security numbers. that's how they're allowed to work. when they pay sales tax and property taxes through rent payments and other types of payments they make. so the president -- i don't know where he gets his numbers from but not even close to the truth. there's the entire premise of the president's address, that the immigrants are overrunning the southern border. according to the department of homeland security data, more than 415,000 people were stopped at the southern border in the government's fiscal year 2017...

Think he's going to make any substantive progress here. the good news is he's going to end this war because it is doing damage, and if he ends it, i think the economy can hang together. >> potentially doing damage at a time we've already seen a roller coaster in the markets and the broader economy. it's day 17 as we have this conversation of the partial government shutdown. what's your take on american markets and financial markets, the broader economy, might start seeing the impact of that? >> well, it's going to start to mount. so far no big deal. most of this was during the holiday season. ...

Not able to make their rent payments. he had a very non-conciliatory response to that. so i think they're realizing the longest this goes on, the more damage it does to this president and the members of this administration need to step up at least the act as if they're caring about what this impact is on average americans and federal workers. >> fortunately you gave very informative and dense answers, because i'm out of town. we will see you both soon. up next, i'm going to ask tom satire whether he's about to spend on himself a fair amount of money to run for president, and what about his c...

Putting it in perspective for us. let's give you some of the advice that federal workers are getting from the trump administration. they're being told to contact their personal attorney. or send sample letters to their creditors. mortgage lenders. or landlords. and the sample letter, federal employees are encouraged to perform odd jobs, like carpentry, or painting, for their landlord, in lieu of rent payments. with us now to talk about this, matt lewis, "new york times" political editor pout trick healy and former republican lawmaker congressman charlie dent. i rolled my eyes there a little ...