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Haven't heard in my entire lifetime to describe black people. so i think we need to take a step back here. it is not about whether donald trump is a racist in his heart. i literally do not care. i care about his policies and how they are impacting people who look like me. so does a baby in a cage care that donald trump is racist in his heart? i bet you they do not. and so the problem here is that he seems more offended by the label racist than by the babies in the cages, which is what i think the majority of americans not trump's base are absolutely horrified by. i think that's where our focus...

And racist rhetoric. a "times" investigation revealed, quote, a striking degree of overlap between the rhetoric of the president's allies and the right wing media and the language used by the el paso gunman. the reporter who wrote that story noted that the similarities between the gunman's language and what's now considered main stream, conservative rhetoric, will make you stop cold. joining me now are some of the best reporters in the business, nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. "the washington post" white house bureau chief and msnbc political analyst philip rucker. he was t...

So the trouble here is that this language continues and it continues in such a sort of heightened way with world focus that this label becomes defining. it becomes part of who he is as he seeks re-election. and that's the challenge he and his advisers are grappling with. >> on friday he talked about how his political opponents were using this word and tried to defend himself. let's take a look. >> for them to throw out the race word again, racist, racist, racist, that's all they use to anybody. they call nancy pelosi a racist. she's not a racist. they call anybody a racist when they run out of...

Clearly, the person vaughn talked to was taking on what has been said about the president and his clearly racist language on to himself and saying, you know, i feel like i am being called a racist when the president is being called a racist. how should democrats be dealing with that distinction if there is one? >> they need to speak -- i do not see a distinction. if you are supporting a president caging brown babies and you are okay with that, i'm sorry, that is supporting racist policies. that is not distinct from supporting a racist president. i think that often we try to get into this seman...

>> that's exactly right. and, you know, look. this is the reality because this is the part of a strategy that trump has had to use these sort of racial divisions, to use even overtly racist language at some times to mobilize and galvanize his white supporters to get them to turn out at the polls. it's one of the reasons why he kept hitting those democratic congresswomen so hard. it's one of the reasons why he attacks the city of baltimore over so many days and its congressman elijah cummings who is one of the top ranked black democrats in the house. you know, you talk to the president's advise...