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>> sean: i've got to imagine that you would have a legal claim if you so desired. where do you stand on that? >> i don't believe in propagating things that aren't true. i believe in accountability and it's the number one value that americans want in washington. the number one value they want from the news media above everything else is the truth. so whatever we can do to bring accountability and the truth to your viewers and all viewers across america we are doing a good thing. suing someone like that, that doesn't prove anything. >> sean: last word. >> i just think that if the president can b...

That you would have a legal claim if you so desired. where do you stand on that? >> i don't believe in propagating things that aren't true. i believe in accountability and it's the number one value that americans want in washington. the number one value they want from the news media above everything else is the truth. so whatever we can do to bring accountability and the truth to your viewers and all viewers across america we are doing a good thing. suing someone like that, that doesn't prove anything. >> sean: last word. >> i just think that if the president can be faulted for anything it is ...

It's a painful exercise in telling things that aren't true. >> former white house counsel bob bauer issued this statement. he said, "after a year and a half of saying no collusion," he meaning trump, "now he's saying to the best of my knowledge nothing happened afterwards." bauer said "the bottom line on all of this, bauer concluded, is trump almost certainly knows more than he has publicly admitted to or acknowledged and mueller probably already knows it." this is the point that i think the senator was just making, that there's a consciousness of guilt. there's a consciousness of responsibili...

It's just so easy when he says something for us to find the tape of something else he says. we've come to expect it from the president. but from his lead lawyer? >> you know, it's become so easy that it's not even a sporting adventure anymore. >> no. >> the problem here is something we all know to be true. people who are being honest don't have to keep changing their story. you only have to keep changing your story if you're lying. so sadly i think in many regards because this is someone who we all loved as america's mayor, we're watching him diminish his reputation. it's painful to watch. it'...

Probably off limits. but with respect to other behavior, with respect to others asking senator burr to drop the investigation, asking that the flynn investigation be dropped, those are classic obstruction of justice acts, which are appropriate to be asked about. that's what mueller is saying to counsel for the president, the real counsel. this is what we need to resolve, that way i can determine whether anyone did anything legally incorrect. >> and the other point giuliani made this morning was that he's so worried about the president getting caught in a perjury trap, as he calls it, but not b...