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Finished yet, but they're part of the ice cap melting. yeah, yeah. we are destroying everything, aren't we? do you really... ? do you feel it that bad? yes, i feel it. i feel it in my bones. and so when you called part of the series the edge, you feel that we are how close to that edge? well, maybe not in my lifetime, but, i mean, are your grandchildren�*s grandchildren ever going to see a tiger? i mean, and the rest of it. er, we are doing our best to make a hash of everything, it seems. let me take you back a little bit. you grew up in suffolk, so in a sense, you've come home. yeah. you're...

Almost incomprehensible. but you mean when you, literally, you start to draw with your left hand, you're not quite sure where it's going and what's happening? exactly so. let's talk about your work and i want to begin with your most recent work, because you have continued painting right through lockdown. you even had a show in lockdown and you're still at it every day. has what's happened to the world in the last year and a half, has that affected the subject matter? well, at the beginning of lockdown, i made a self—portrait, angry, because a lot of plans were up in the air. you know, i was ...

Scene in the city. but in recent years, you've been doing your work in the middle of the suffolk countryside. has it changed the way you work and what you do? not at all. not at all? not at all. even though the atmosphere around you is so very different? not at all. i still get up at 5am in the summer and 6am in the winter, and come into the studio and make a drawing and get going. if i stayed in bed, i'd just worry about everything, so it's far better to be up and at it. and yet, i suppose what's missing here is the community and the people and the buzz, but that... you don't miss it? we've g...

Time you're going to see them before they go down there. so it's quite obvious to make a drawing. but it's not necessarily a time or a moment where... ..where you feel like working, cos it is sort of work as well as an act of love. but it's the last time you see the person and this whole thing about death, i mean, if you love someone, they... for anyone, they go on being alive inside you, don't they? tell me about the shift from being a pure painter to then embracing sculpture as well. why did you move in that direction? well, i was painting a painting which... it was during the laugh painting...

De facto government is now morphing into or evolving into a government. it has to be a government. there's good governments, bad governments and vicious governments. the taliban will be whatever the taliban is but it's a government. a government has to have relations with other governments to function as a government. right now there's not a bus driver in kabul that has been paid. there's not -- nobody has been paid. if you have no money and you have no food, the people that can provide money and food have leverage, this is real leverage. i foresee -- write this down. i foresee in a week or tw...