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I think the point there is political talent is political talent. they all come from different backgrounds and they all have different narratives that introduce them to the political world. so i don't think that argument sticks against mayor pete. i think probably the thing you'd be more concerned about if you're mayor pete, or again, the push back that he had to deal with around the fund-raisers and the wine caves, and also just the fact that he's in a very crowded space in the middle now. the three candidates who have done the best in this environment, this impeachment environment, biden, but...

Electorate who is sort of playing arm chair quarterback at home and trying to figure out who can beat donald trump is they're thinking about electability. they're both midwestern candidates. ari berman tweeted out the last time amy klobuchar ran for reelection she got 1.5 million votes. mayor pete was elected with 8500 votes. is it a stylistic thing of who people think is electable based on the way they present themselves? >> i really don't. you know, you pointed out that tweet. i saw another tweet from david pluff who referenced a state senator from illinois who got beat 2-1 by bobby rush bef...