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Down. 29 years on the court reporting about what he said casually to colleagues and friends about his feelings, his state of mind. but to echo pete, we haven't heard anything directly from him to suggest he's going anywhere. >> i wonder if this isn't just a situation where if you're 80 years old and you're having a casual conversation with friends, it's not out of the realm of possibility that that topic of retirement could come up. are you hearing anything different than it's more than casual conversation? >> i get all of my news from ari and pete so that would be the place i would look first...

The democratic leadership in the senate -- as if the republicans can do worse than filibustering literally everything that comes to the floor. what more could they do, harry? what is it going to take for you to show some leadership? no relation. >> look, i was disappointed, too. the filibuster is a tool of obstruction. a compromise to retain a tool of obstruction does not advance the cause of peace. i think there is a kind of filibuster which belongs, which is the kind you saw wendy davis do in texas where you stand up and dlifeliver a talking filibur on an issue that matters to you that much....

As we go deep into the circumstances of an event. i think we learn something about america at that moment and i think we learn something -- i think we learned a lot about how society values or does not value the lives and emotions and feelings and the humanness of black men. it's as if they don't -- he's three weeks past his 17th birthday but he doesn't get to be a boy. he's made into a man full of menace and he's -- the assumption is that he wouldn't be afraid in this hand to hand combat, but george zimmerman would be afraid and that of course trayvon martin would dominate this because that's...

Hallie jackson is at the white house, msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melvin joins us. pete, what does that mean? >> well it has the biggest impact on refugees because clearly most people seeking refugee status don't have what the court called today a close familial relationship with someone in the ug.s. that's where the biggest impact is going to be felt. as for the other ban, the 90-day ban on people wanting visas to come to the u.s., clearly it means that nobody can come here on a tourist visa. but people who wanted to come here to visit relatives or perhaps begin immigration to the u.s...

Nine months after that came into place. so some of the questions that we have for sean spicer coming up in 25 minutes from now are going to relate to that. what the department of homeland security has done in the last six months or so and when this is going to be put forward. >> all right. ari, the practical effect we've heard laid out from pete and hallie. but he brings up an interesting point. the prior lower court cases. they reference the president's tweets. and the question is was this a muslim ban. is that likely to be the key point that the supreme court looks at? >> that's still someth...