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One last question? about the drones, do the ukrainians have drones? are they armed? >> ukrainians have armed drones. many of clean-up they have purchased from turkey. they have used them in eastern ukraine before effectively in combat. russia is not happy about that. >> steve: it tv 2 drones and they have had them for a while. ukrainians released this video they had drone strikes on saturday and sunday. when they see that people of ukraine go yeah, we are fighting back. bring it on. >> ainsley: reporting they shut down two russian transport plants and russian transport planes and a second one ...

I think president biden wisely so far has not entertained a valid military option but a political disaster for the united states. >> general mccaffrey, about that convoy, admiral stavridis was talking about that being an obvious strategic target. did the ukrainians not have the means, the weapons coming in, not have the means to take on a target like that? and what would it take to eliminate any inabilities it has? >> the ukrainians started the war with about 125 combat aircraft and some 20 some odd turkish manufactured armed drones. it looks to me as if by and large they probably shot the bol...

Ukrainians do to combat that convoy, effectively 40 miles of sitting ducks. do have they the offensive capability to do something about that? >> the secretary has enormous experience, very thoughtful, very careful on what he's saying. again, the ukrainians are stating that they are attacking that column. they only had around 20 turkish armed drones. one way to change the military calculus obviously would be to get u.s. or other nato -- nation armed drones into the ukrainians. tough to do, give them firing units, some training, plausible deniability we're doing it. that might change the nature ...

What to do with russia, because of so many european countries, depending on the energy they get from russia. where do you evaluate where we are, for those into this? >> well it is great to be with you. i have never witnessed such transformation of european policy in the last 24 hours in my professional career. let me start with germany. yesterday, germany announced that they were sending 1000 anti tank missiles, 500 senior missiles to ukraine. it has now pledged to increase defense spending by 100 billion euros. it will get to 2% of gdp for defense spending. it is now constructing armed drones...

Arrival without plugging in to the host country with ammunition, hygiene, food, fuel, et cetera and then moves it. we know how to do that. i'm stunned that they cannot carry out this operation. they made it much more complicated than they needed to be, but still, their incompetence is helping. most importantly, what is slowing them up on that road is the ukrainian will and the capacity that they have likely with anti-tank weapons and mines and also the use of drones that they have, that have been very effective. armed drones. >> martha: and they're from turkey, i believe. we have an image of t...