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In the east in particular, simone, the battle has already begun. it's many weeks into unfolding. the key location is a city known as bakhmut, that area right around there. the wagner militia groups, mercenaries, the prisoners have taken massive casualties. the russians continue to push just north of there along an access that goes straight north all the way up to the russian border, using four or five different efforts to really advance with the observe of russian forces saying behind it. but the offensive that we have expected to come is occurring, but i think the key point is that it's not g...

Trapped inside one of the deadliest battles of the war so far. here to discuss and help us understand the latest as michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia and national security analyst clint. i will start with you. give us a sense of what is happening on the ground right now. >> selina, the russians are fighting more like we thought that they would when the war kicked off. several things have happened. one, they integrated and concentrated their forces, rather than doing a very disastrous plan in the beginning, trying to take kyiv and topple degree ukrainian government within a week,...

Providing military aid, they passed 40 billion dollars in more military and humanitarian aid on thursday. that is triple the action that we passed in march. as you are seeing on the ground and what we laid out, understand why congress felt they needed to increase discover the packages dramatically? is this because, as you laid it out, it would help in this moment and stop some of russia's progress that they are making in the region? >> two pieces. one, it allows, particularly in the eastern area, for ukrainians to push and have a fighting chance against one's large armor formations coming in f...

Pockets? the big unknown, and i think the thing the pentagon was talking about yesterday and you saw from the british military assessment, is will the russian ground troops fight? will the armor formations be able to fight? remember, this is spare parts essentially at this point. you have some battalion tactical groups fighting for a while and are essentially put together, but a lot have been whittled down, are coming back from kyiv, have not fought together, have a new chain of command and a new commander. will they make advances against a motivated ukrainian military. >> david ignatius, can ...

Back from mariupol, to donetsk. so they are creating a delay in action, creating more time for the ukrainian military to get here in the donbas region. >> clint, what exactly is indirect fires m. >> indirect fires, when we talk about them, you'll hear people talk about russian fires. we're talking about artillery, missiles, and aircraft, essentially, air strikes. they'll use a combination of those three to very devastating effects. this is, one, to suppress ukrainian military. two, to try to atrite them over time. most ukrainian casualties have been due to these indirect fires. and three, when...