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Of publicity. well, the russian government has made sure that the case of c konstantin yaroshenko, the russian national, who you can see there on the airport tarmac in turkey, sort of in that prisoner swep with trevor reed, he is also something of a cause celeb, as well. there's been a lot of concerns about the way he was detained, he was arrested in a d.e.a. sting operation in liberia, in africa. he always complained about how he was treated in custody, accusing the authorities in the united states of torture, though, of course, they have categorically denied that. they didn't get everything ...

Happen six months ago, we'd say it's a big deal. for it to happen now as they say it's a u.s. proxy war with all these high intentions, why now? >> well, it shows you the effort to diplomatically bring these two sides together and find a deal to secure the release of constantin yaroshenko the national swapped for trevor reed, they have been ongoing and they have been apparently not affected by the extremely poor relationship and the deteriorating relationship between russia and the united states, particularly since the confrom ikt in ukraine. this all seems to have been compartmentalized in so...

Opened or is this a oneoff? >> i think you have to ohio i think the assumption was because of the assumption in ukraine all bets were off and all conversations seeds. what we seen today a vivid zraegs that that is not the case. there are discussion going on behind the scenes. that's borne fruit when it comes to trevor reed and contain tin yaroshenko. that conversation will be continuing when it comes to paul whelan and any other americans that are held in russian custody and from the russian side as well, they are very keen to make sure they get their prisoners who are being held in u.s. jails...

Hey, he pulled me aside and we were walking back from a meal and said who he went to see. >> why did he do that? >> i don't know. he was trying to impress me. >> but it also, in his mind, showed that he had a righteous arms trafficker that could supply to them. and he would get some percentage of whatever the deal was going to be. once smulian said viktor bout, then we knew that we were in. but that's only part of it. we could have all the meetings with andrew smulian. but if we don't have a sit-down with viktor bout, we'll not get what we need. all their efforts from that moment on were to ge...

He playing us? because he couldn't get the visa? because people were telling him that it's not safe for him to go to romania. we needed to regroup. >> the team and i discussed what our next move would be, and we collectively decided that while risky, the right thing to do and the most realistic thing to do was to leave romania and walk away. it would plant a seat in bout's mind that, well, maybe they'll find another arms trafficker. this would put more pressure on viktor to close the deal. and before the source left, carlos had a conversation with viktor on the phone. > carlos made it clear. i...