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Hey, he pulled me aside and we were walking back from a meal and said who he went to see. >> why did he do that? >> i don't know. he was trying to impress me. >> but it also, in his mind, showed that he had a righteous arms trafficker that could supply to them. and he would get some percentage of whatever the deal was going to be. once smulian said viktor bout, then we knew that we were in. but that's only part of it. we could have all the meetings with andrew smulian. but if we don't have a sit-down with viktor bout, we'll not get what we need. all their efforts from that moment on were to ge...

So we felt it was really important that once we started taking ground, we needed to get it done as quickly as we could. in copenhagen, after smulian had relaid that, yes, it was viktor bout, that he was interested in pursuing the sale with smulian and the farc, we devised a meeting location because for dea to get the investigation done, we needed to have a sit-down meeting with viktor bout. so we chose romania for that meeting. a bunch of benefits. if we made an arrest in romania, they have a solid extradition treating and very good judicial capabilities to monitor phones. so that was our firs...

Who the farc was, knew he was entering into a weapons deal with them. he knew these weapons were going to be used to kill americans and kill officers and other officials in the u.s. government. that he knew he was going to be acquiring and using surface to air missiles and those were the guidelines of what we had to establish. so commandante explained he was fighting against the americans. the americans were killing his people. they were helping the colombian government and bout said this is my fight, too. they are my enemy also. >> the commandante really brought it home. they talked about how...

We were drinking tea. we decided there was a good place to have this type of conversation. >> viktor said let's go up to the 27th floor. there's a business center up there and they go up to have the meeting there. carlos' safety and the safety of the other sources is one of our number one concerns. viktor is one of the most ruthless arms traffickers in the world. weapons could be smuggled in through russian criminal networks in thailand which are rampant. we had no idea if viktor was bringing a gun to that meeting. there are so many unknowns. so they went up to the conference room and what was...