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They should no more be raising firearms against the bundys than the bundys should be threatening arm against them. what is being done to deescalate tempers and get this under control? >> not much i talk to the clark county commission chairman. he told me that he sees no role for the clark county commission in any of this. he's been asked by cliven bundy to get involved. governor issued a couple statements negotiating. his statements have been tep yid at best. someone is going to have to stop this thing. on the ed ral side or its going to have to be clark county or the state of nevada. >> bun...

Understand his position but we have court orders here, repeated court orders he's lost in the court on every turn to our, the federal government's right to have this land and his responsibility to pay grazing fees what skktly is cliven's argument that he has a right to graze there and only pay nevada and not the federal government? >> cliven told me he would be happy to pay all of the permit money to clark county, to the state of nevada, his issue is that the federal government has no business controlling 86% of the land in nevada. that is his beef. he says i'll gladly pay clark county and the...

Leg to stand on. but he's trying to raise a larger point about the fact, as you point out, over 80% of nevada, of the lands are owned bit feds something to which he objects because his family has been there for generations. >> well, and cliven bundy says this is not about cows or dessert tortoise. it's about state rights. and his big beef with the blm could be avoided i'm worried and a lot of my listeners are very worried this is escalating. one listener yesterday by the name of joe said he's going on saturday, going tomorrow, he's going to take a tub of ice, water, and he's going to take weap...

All right? they're setting a precedence, you guys. a precedence >> wow. trace ghallager has been monitoring this and has the latest. trace? >> now, we know there are a thousand people out there supporting the bundy family and they're not leaving. they're sleeping in their cars, they're creating tent cities and digging in for what they could be, what they believe could be a very long landoff. many of the people are from armed militia from around nevada and around the rest of the country. concern here is that they may provoke an armed confrontation with the federal government or vice versa. now,...