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indictment. no one has made that allegation. at the end of the day, you have to weigh the damage of the indictment versus the damage of the allegations. it's just not even a fair way. >> senator marco rubio's evolution on donald trump's access to and handling of classified documents. >> yeah, i agree, it's not even a close call. you weigh whether you believe as the 11th circuit said that the foundational principle of this country, that no man is above the law, and you balance that against whatever marco was saying we should balance it against. and, you know, willie, i just -- you wil...

Stand for that and we should speak up and we have to be loud about that. and having said that, if the claims in the indictment are true, if they're true, then trump was incredibly reckless with our national security and that's not okay. so now if you've got the question of a pardon, i mean, that's a very different question. i'm not going to presume president trump's guilt. we all need to let this trial play out. we need to see exactly what happened. when you look at a pardon, the issue is less about guilt and more about what's good for the country. i think it would be terrible for the country ...