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>> let me interrupt and say term of art difference between solitary confinement and protective custody. he was held alone but not as a punitive matter. it's been explained to me. please continue. >> correct. remember rudy giuliani's background as a u.s. attorney and prosecutor but yet here he is going light it seems on a white collar criminal and he also made a point of saying it was out of proportion for what manafort has done and echoed the judge in that way to not take into account manafort's decades of perhaps wrongdoing. and he said that in particular this was characteristic of andrew wei...

Already left the president's company by the time the manafort's sentencing came down. he has not spoken to the president about that and speaking for himself but used this moment to take a real swipe at the special counsel's investigation. i'll read you a little of what he said. he said it's not american to keep a man in solitary confinement to crack him. he made a point of saying he's not a terrorist. he's not an organized criminal. he's a white collar criminal. >> let me interrupt and say term of art difference between solitary confinement and protective custody. he was held alone but not as ...

We did not get the briefings. they allege that they put a stack of documents in front of you 200 pages long and they say go ahead and read it if you don't know the terms of art they are using. if you don't know the specific definitions they are using, you don't even know what it means if you are going there. because they have differences between the word, for example, collect and acquire. how would anyone know that there is a term of art difference between collect and acquire unless you are steeped in this stuff? >> laura: right. buff i'm playing devil's advocate here with you. it's always a t...

We did not get the briefings. they allege that they put a stack of documents in front of you 200 pages long and they say go ahead and read it if you don't know the terms of art they are using. if you don't know the specific definitions they are using, you don't even know what it means if you are going there. because they have differences between the word, for example, collect and acquire. how would anyone know that there is a term of art difference between collect and acquire unless you are steeped in this stuff? >> laura: right. buff i'm playing devil's advocate here with you. it's always a t...

We did not get the briefings. they allege that they put a stack of documents in front of you 200 pages long and they say go ahead and read it if you don't know the terms of art they are using. if you don't know the specific definitions they are using, you don't even know what it means if you are going there. because they have differences between the word, for example, collect and acquire. how would anyone know that there is a term of art difference between collect and acquire unless you are steeped in this stuff? >> laura: right. buff i'm playing devil's advocate here with you. it's always a t...