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>> the police department actually utilized street officers first to get the process going. in order to get the dna evidence to the dna machines you have to use street officers. they didn't have the luxury at the time. as a result they didn't have anybody to run the machines. it stays unplugged for five or six years. it's unfortunate but it's a reality. >> when you was a da we got federal or state moneys they followed up to make sure we had to issue quarterly reports though make sure we were using the equipment using it properly. arthur defense attorney, what do you think? >> image the guy who ...

>> the police department actually utilized street officers first to get the process going. in order to get the dna evidence to the dna machines you have to use street officers. they didn't have the luxury at the time. as a result they didn't have anybody to run the machines. it stays unplugged for five or six years. it's unfortunate but it's a reality. >> when you was a da we got federal or state moneys they followed up to make sure we had to issue quarterly reports though make sure we were using the equipment using it properly. arthur defense attorney, what do you think? >> image the guy who ...

>> the police department actually utilized street officers first to get the process going. in order to get the dna evidence to the dna machines you have to use street officers. they didn't have the luxury at the time. as a result they didn't have anybody to run the machines. it stays unplugged for five or six years. it's unfortunate but it's a reality. >> when you was a da we got federal or state moneys they followed up to make sure we had to issue quarterly reports though make sure we were using the equipment using it properly. arthur defense attorney, what do you think? >> image the guy who ...

Forensic pathologist dr. michael baden from atlanta former homicide detective rodd wheeler and with me is criminal defense attorney arthur idolis. i am going to start with dr. baden. what is the significance of a crime lab having a dna machine that can test 16 pieces of evidence at one time and not using it? >> well, it means they are not properly organized they don't have the people to do this they have other problems in the san francisco crime lab where they had to fire one of the two toxicologists because she was using the cocaine she was supposed to be analyzing last year. i think that the...

Forensic pathologist dr. michael baden from atlanta former homicide detective rodd wheeler and with me is criminal defense attorney arthur idolis. i am going to start with dr. baden. what is the significance of a crime lab having a dna machine that can test 16 pieces of evidence at one time and not using it? >> well, it means they are not properly organized they don't have the people to do this they have other problems in the san francisco crime lab where they had to fire one of the two toxicologists because she was using the cocaine she was supposed to be analyzing last year. i think that the...