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Emoluments clause violations as an article impeachment. it seems like they are doubling down saying no only do we think this is okay, we think that this is a positive for the administration and positive for the country and making this announcement so publicly, it is really surprising given how much heat they have taken on these violations in the past. >> is it surprising or not? kristen welker, you cover this white house all day every day and sundays. is it surprising or have we seen straight out of the gate the president is in a hairy situation and instead of backing away from it and cleaning...

Block witnesses. watching democrats a daily basis to haul these people in the talk to members of congress, they were in the president they are building an article in the impeachment case against him based on the fact that they are not willing to cooperate and i think that's part of what the impeachment articles will look like. >> bret: is really interesting because part of this he says publicly and he said it to the reporters on the south lawn. if that's an article impeachment, the other one is obstruction preventing people from testifying or documents going up the hill. >> it's a tricky case ...

This information. and we're going see if this cover-up continues because we've just issued subpoenas to giuliani, to other officials, and if they don't provide information, the american people will know they're continuing to hide information from congress and the american people. and we want the truth to come out, and it's going to show some very bad things that the president and his officials engaged in. >> if those folks resist, does that become an article of impeachment? >> it absolutely could. obstruction of congress could be article impeachment. we're going to see based on what comes out ...

>> bill: that hearing should tell us a little bit about where they are. we will see how that develops. kind of gave you a choice here. a, b, c. take a listen to this. >> i don't think there should be any confusion. the judiciary committee has been engaged to determine whether or not to recommend article impeachment. we are looking at obstruction of justice, abuse of power, corruption probably. >> bill: abuse of power, corruption probably. i guess you could say all of the above. which one will it be? >> who knows what they are going to do? they change the rules last week, belt, because nothing ...

Attorney general of the assistant attorney general that generates him. he will do that. in a nutshell, fred, any article impeachment would have to be drawn up in the house of representatives. they'll need the majority vote there and that'll mean just like in the indictment of charges being brought. the chief justice presides and they'll need a two-third of majority. >> whether of obstruction of justice under the version of high crimes misdemeanors, briberies and treasons -- we are not sure if he will be removed. fred, i am telling you and i listened to this entire week whether the or not the e...