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Secretary. you're talking right now about unifying the command and unifying the anti-isis effort. given that two of the major players -- three of the major players on that field are the united states, russia, and iran -- and these are not three countries that actually get along, they're very much adversarial -- how exactly do you propose we unify this command and unify this effort? do you envision iranian and russian forces being under an american command? how does this work? >> no, not really, because i think, you know, it would be nice to have the russians be part of that but i'm not sure th...

Think, you know, it would be nice to have the russians be part of that, but i'm not sure they will, and i don't think iran would as well. my focus would be to have nato countries. i'll a little surprised that they haven't invoked article v of the nato charter. we invoked article v after 9/11, they should certainly do it now and be able to get nato and its military forces engaged in that effort. secondly, we need the arab countries, the moderate arab countries, saudi arabia, uae, jordan and others to be part of that effort. we've got to focus on that effort because that's doable. when we went i...

Nato. i don't think we should be wetted to that. if they do, we should be fully supportive. we benefited from this ourselves after 9/11. that we asked for nato's article v response and nato agreed. and then two years went by. we went for two years in operation "enduring freedom wt without using nato before we asked nato to come in and that was because we preferred a coalition of the willing. i would flly respect that france would think the same thing at this point in time and we should be as supportived a as possible. >> i suppose consultations have been taking place considering they are stron...

Bombing missions in raqqah since sunday. >> a short time ago we spoke with curt volcker, ambassador to nato, and we asked him whether france would invoke article v and ask nato to support their fight against isis. >> well, there are two different things. one of them is being at war. the other is invoking your alliance commitments through article v of the nato treaty. i think the fact that france says that it is at war, it has adopted this as a mission for france, that it needs to defeat this kind of islamist terrorism is a good thing. that is refreshing. we need to defend our own value, our ow...

I understand what happened to get us in at that point. but are we in this or are we not in this? five a day makes it sound like we're not even in this. >> i think the american people need to know that. rather looking back, we need to look forward from this point on. our commander in chief is at the g-20 summit a wonderful opportunity for him to exercise leadership and for him to lead the free world in making this not just about france but about -- i think we go back to this being a global war on terror. he needs to rally not only the american people but other world leaders. >> with or without ...