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Yet. i think it's probably going to look like something that resembles the military, something that debilitates infrastructure. certainly something that harms or impedes infrastructure or, heaven forbid, takes human life. i don't think mere intelligence collection would trigger it. this has yet to be delineated by article v clause and by the nato allies. symbolically, it's so significant that 30 nation alliance, led now by president biden and the united states, is standing up to russian aggression on cyber attacks and also by toilette against china as well because china, of course, is an autho...

Aggressively include them. >> yeah, but here's the difference. moldova, georgia, ukraine, as much as we may plead for those countries in our heart. martha: i meant nail toe. >> they're not nato countries. nato is different, it has article v clause which i call the three musketeers clause which says one for all, all for one. if there is armed attack against any member nato, the other members of nato have to rush to their defense. what if there is armed attack against baltic states, lithuania, estonia, will the united states come to their aide? i think putin mail be willing to call the bluff. th...