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this proof or maybe this example," and so, working with others — you know, the team from hardtalk helped me out and did a very good brief — so, you know, you get these things which you can push back at them. but, yeah, if they're going to keep at it, they're going to keep at it. and in those moments on each side of the interview when you arrive, when you're packing up, both with president asaad, but also gaddafi, as well, can you learn things about how they interact with their colleagues, about how they carry themselves? absolutely. assad is incredibly polite in a sort of old world, courtly way. he'll leap to his feet when you get to the room. he'll break his neck to make sure he's not the first person through the door — "after you" — and then, he always — i've interviewed him a few times — and he always gives you about ten or 15 minutes one—on—one beforehand, you have a little chat. gaddafi, on the other hand, you know, he swept in, the absolute caricature
a very good brief — so, you know, you get these things which you can push back at them. but yeah, if they're going to keep at it, they're going to keep at it. and in those moments on each side of the interview when you arrive, when you're packing up, both with president asaad but also gaddafi as well, can you learn things about how they interact with their colleagues, about how they carry themselves? absolutely. assad is incredibly polite in a sort of old world, courtly way. he'll leap to his feet when you get to the room. he'll break his neck to make sure he's not the first person through the door — "after you," and then, he always — i've interviewed him a few times — and he always gives you about ten or 15 minutes one on one beforehand, you have a little chat. gaddafi, on the other hand, you know, he swept in, the absolute caricature of his own image, you know, in a flowing ochre robe, aviator sunglasses, slightly spacey, at the head of a massive
which you can push back at them. but yeah, if they're going to keep at it, they're going to keep at it. and in those moments on each side of the interview when you arrive, when you're packing up, both with president asaad, but also gaddafi as well, can you learn things about how they interact with their colleagues, about how they carry themselves? absolutely. assad is incredibly polite in a sort of old world, courtly way. he'll leap to his feet when you get to the room. he'll break his neck to make sure he's not the first person through the door — "after you," and then, he always — i've interviewed him a few times — and he always gives you about ten or 15 minutes one on one beforehand, you have a little chat. gaddafi, on the other hand, you know, he swept in, the absolute caricature of his own image, in a flowing ochre robe, aviator sunglasses, slightly spacey, at the head of a massive convoy of vehicles.
heard — bullets and bombs. i haven't heard of— bullets and bombs. i haven't heard of army using barrels or mayhe — heard of army using barrels or maybe cooking pots.- maybe cooking pots. large barrels full _ maybe cooking pots. large barrels full of _ maybe cooking pots. large barrels full of explosives . maybe cooking pots. large l barrels full of explosives and projectiles which i dropped from helicopters and explode with devastating effect. there's been a lot of testimony about these things.— there's been a lot of testimony about these things. bombs, we have bombs. — about these things. bombs, we have bombs, missiles- about these things. bombs, we have bombs, missiles and - have bombs, missiles and bullets _ have bombs, missiles and bullets. �* , ., have bombs, missiles and bullets. �* ., �* , bullets. but you wouldn't deny that included _ bullets. but you wouldn't deny that included under _ bullets. but you wouldn't deny that included under the - that included under the category of bombs are these barrel bombs? which are indiscriminate weapons. . barrel bombs? which are indiscriminate weapons. , there is no indiscriminate _ indiscriminate weapons. , there is no indiscriminate weapons. i is no indiscriminate weapons. how— is no indiscriminate weapons. how do — is no indiscriminate weapons. how do you deal with it when you're doing an interview like that and the interviewee is simply refuting what you're saying? simply refuting what you're sa int ? �* . . simply refuting what you're sa int ? �* , ., ~ saying? he's telling a lie. and in the series _ saying? he's telling a lie. and in the series we've _ saying? he's telling a lie. and in the series we've done, - saying? he's telling a lie. and in the series we've done, that| in the series we've done, that exchange is actually in the programme which is called the big lie. what you have to keep pushing, you have to assure of your ground, you have to do be able to war game it a bit in advance. at interview with asaad, we really war games it. we worked out he would possibly say this. and then, so if he
about 15 years ago, people were doing, the editors thought, it was the first time anyone had thejob and editors was the first time anyone had the job and editors and programmes would say well, we've got a piece from so—and—so and jeremy can you do the explainer so i said if you did not get that, jeremy will not explain it. so my argument was always i should get the material and i should then build this construct, and that's what i tried to do. doesn't always work but when it works, it works. bud doesn't always work but when it works, it works.— works, it works. and you mentioned _ works, it works. and you mentioned you _ works, it works. and you mentioned you spent - works, it works. and you mentioned you spent a l works, it works. and you | mentioned you spent a lot works, it works. and you - mentioned you spent a lot of the last ten years talking about jihadists the last ten years talking aboutjihadists and some of those would have been in syria especially when islamic state was taking a lot of territory and that leads me to something else i'd like to talk to you about which is your close encounters with really significant historical figures, one of them president asaad of syria. let's listen to a brief part of your exchange with him a few years back.— a few years back. what about barrel bombs? _ a few years back. what about barrel bombs? you _ a few years back. what about barrel bombs? you don't - a few years back. what about| barrel bombs? you don't deny your forces use them? i barrel bombs? you don't deny your forces use them?- your forces use them? i know about the _ your forces use them? i know about the army, _ your forces use them? i know about the army, they - your forces use them? i know about the army, they use - about the army, they use bullets _ about the army, they use bullets and bombs. i haven't
says this, you can answer or counter with that. and bring out this proof or maybe this example and so, working with others, the team from hardtalk helped me out, and did a very good brief, so you get these things which you can push back at them but yeah, if they are going to keep at it, they are going to keep at it, they are going to keep at it, they are going to keep at it. find going to keep at it, they are going to keep at it.- going to keep at it. and in those moments _ going to keep at it. and in those moments on - going to keep at it. and in those moments on each i going to keep at it. and in i those moments on each side going to keep at it. and in - those moments on each side of the interview when you arrive, when you're packing up, both with president asaad but also gadarfi as well, can you learn things as well about how they interact with their colleagues about how they carry themselves?- about how they carry themselves? ., ~ , themselves? -- gaddafi. aside is incredibly — themselves? -- gaddafi. aside is incredibly polite _ themselves? -- gaddafi. aside is incredibly polite in _ themselves? -- gaddafi. aside is incredibly polite in an - themselves? -- gaddafi. aside is incredibly polite in an old - is incredibly polite in an old world courtly way, the leap to your feet when you get to the room, he will break his neck to make sure he is not the first person through the door, after you, and then he always, i've interviewed him a few times, he gives you about ten or 15 minutes one on one beforehand, to have a little chat. gaddafi
His Highness Sayyid Asaad bin Tarik al Said, Deputy Prime Minister for International Relations and Cooperation Affairs, Personal Representative of His...