And that is been widely in interpreted to push china and keep china back in foundational technologies. and in europe, there is a lot of concern about that. because on the wone hand there s growing worry about china, but as you say, particularly in countries like germany, there is an incredible economic relationship with china. like the asf and the german car companies essentially wouldn't be at all where they were without china. >> zanny, briefly tell me what was -- what was your sense of what is happening in china? because you were in china for the annual development forum. how do the chinese...