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Never arrive. what does that imply? the policy wasn't stalemate answer weren't interested in a victor and they weren't committed to the rebels and were too afraid of how many -- how much of al qaeda and other extreme forces had infiltrated the resistance, so at this point when you hear mccain and you hear senator -- i mean secretary of state kerry say they are moderates, they are moderates, they've never made the case to the congress, the american people that they're sure they're moderates. the bulk of the population of the resistance so until -- for that to all of a sudden be part of the barg...

Has been for the last two years. so getting him on board is incredibly important. because other republicans will definitely follow mccain's lead on this issue. without mccain, it gives republicans an excuse to vote against it. >> just to be specific, when you say action, i mean, senator mccain is taking it to the point where he wants to interrupt the ground war, interrupt the civil war, and ultimately get assad out. correct? >> mccain supports regime change. that has been his position for quite some time. he hasn't gone into detail as far as i know about whether he wants boots on the ground or...

Syria? >> well, we're expecting a number of things. first of all, likely an arab league meeting. the state department has canceled a scheduled meeting between two top diplomats and russians at the hague. that was supposed to take place this week. so they're turning their back on russia. forget the u.n. we've got all of the pentagon plans right off the shelf. they are ready to go with small tactical strikes against delivery systems to try to get at command and control. they're not trying to take assad out. this is not regime change. this is to teach a message that what he did and they can tie i...

They are about responding to clear violations of an international standard that prohibits the use of chemical weapons. >> that answer is going to raise more questions in the days leading up to possible u.s. military action here. as you know u.s. policy for well over a year has been they wanted assad out of power, although now they're saying if we take military action our goal is not take assad another of power. the way they split that is to say that military action would be punishing syria perhaps for using chemical weapon put they want a political solution, not a military solution to take ass...

No-fly zone in syria, and yet that's where a lot of discussions are going. iran, sending 4,000 pairs of boots to this region. this could become a regional or global conflict very quickly and we need to ask a lot of questions before we can proceed. >> humanitarian disaster. 4 million people displaced. 100,000 people killed in the process here. the question now is are we -- are we making a mistake -- sure, we want assad out, but who takes over if he goes? will it be another radical islamist state in the middle east? >> that's exactly my concern, what i'm saying, we don't know who would take over...