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Then you saw the president try and shift the onus toward michael cohen. but the president is named in a court filing as individual one having directed michael cohen to make this payment to stormy daniels in an attempt to influence at least the perception leading into the 2016 election. and michael cohen really did lay out in great detail how intimately involved the president was in overseeing every step of this payment from signing a check, also implicating donald trump jr. in signing one of the other checks to reimburse michael cohen. but even having knowledge of michael cohen having used a h...

The other thing goes to the trump tower meeting in 2016 where cohen says that don junior, the president's son and candidate's son, let him know that meeting was coming, which of course makes a liar of the president. but also, again, gets to the president knowing about what was really, to date, the biggest example of cooperation, right? you know, the trump team accepting a meeting from russia knowing they were getting these stolen e-mails. those are a big deal. >> yeah. >> of course, the president will, as he's done, attack cohen's credibility. it will attack cohen's credibility, but it raises ...

Describing as a convicted felon is going into the oval office and the president is directing in his first year of office how he should get paid off? you couldn't dream these things up in a movie. >> what did you make of the approach we all saw by your republican colleagues? >> i don't think it's effective at the end. they were trying to attack cohen. they were saying cohen is a liar about coming to congress and talking about the moscow project. here's the fact. trump has said the exact same thing michael cohen had. if you're admitting cohen lied, you're saying that trump has lied to the americ...

Here's her statement. i would rather it be done that way to shore up the websiitness. he's going to have to do it differently because he doesn't have the documentation. >> matt gates walked from the room. some said yesterday he was threatening him. we know he is an ardent supporter of president trump. do we expect characters like this will do everything possible from blocking michael cohen from saying much of anything today? >> well, i think we can expect them to go on the offensive and try to attack cohen's credibility. i do think, though, though, it is it is in a trial, that is a dicey propo...

Public session before the house. he will also have what we believe is a closed door session probably about the russia investigation with adam schiff and company. but what might america learn when michael cohen testifies before the public and the cameras? >> well, they have tried to attack cohen for a long time now saying that he is not credible and that he is a confessed liar basically. i think from the public side we'll have a chance to eyeball him, see what he has to say, to hear what his version of events are. and really sort of judge his credibility. that is why you want a live witness, yo...