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Aside the idea of reaching guam or reaching the united states, even if whatever helps they have, they just used on south korea or surrounding countries, do you have any sense of the death toll that is potentially involved here? >> you know, i really do. we have 30,000 troops in south korea that are reachable easily by the north koreans. in addition to that, the population of seoul is 20 million, give or take a little. seoul is so close to the dmz that it's reachable by artillery fire. if they have a nuclear weapon they could deliver even by artillery fire, the death toll would be in the millio...

Options does the u.s. have militarily against north korea? >> well, they have a range of options. the problem is all of them are bad. no matter what happens, any military action, it is going to precipitate the one thing that we don't want, a massive north korean attack on the south. and as general hertling said in the last hour, the human cost of that would be astronomical. they've got i believe over 10,000 artillery troops just north of the dmz. the north koreans have developed an entire class of weapons just to attack seoul. then whatever follows that, are they going to engage japan, launch ...

Fear, but just from a military standpoint, we talked to general hertling about this in the last hour, the level of destruction in the region in any kind of conflict between north and south korea that the u.s. is involved in, if china gets involved as well, it's not something that the united states has seen for a very long time or frankly that the world has seen. >> absolutely. we have not. and it's certain. the destruction and death that would occur is certain. seoul understands that. president moon and his cabinet understand the incredible risks. they're waking up this morning and getting the...

Absorption really putting forth a proengagement the policy with north korea. further for the of the dmz the border between the north korea. we saw grand celebrations after the icbm launch in north korea. many of the top leadership of the regime. we saw many of the scientists involved in in icbm launch showing just how -- how much of a celebration there is in pyongyang. there was dancing in the streets. so obviously a very different response in north korea. the regime extremely pleasewood the success of the icbm as the rest of the world discusses how to deal with it. natalie. >> we thank you. p...

Military action on the table. >> i have some pretty severe things that we're thinking about. >> in his first public statement, defense secretary james mattis says diplomacy still is the priority in controlling north korea's new missile launches. >> i do not believe that capability in itself brings us closer to war because the president has been very clear and secretary of state has been very clear that we are leading with diplomatic and economic efforts. >> the secretary has long warned that war with kim jong un could lead to catastrophe. >> as you know if this goes to a military solution it i...